我自己都係我"朋友" 同 "其朋友" 的facebook 搵到好多呢類型的評論..
我其實覺得好心噏.
有人用自己立場, 有人用宗教為理據去討論呢件事, 但係一直在傷害別人.好多用愛出發的人, 自稱為有知識的人.. 居然寫出呢d野..
試問, 呢個世界發生咩事?

quote 比大家睇下:

" ....今日講好似好似無可能, 但如果有日, 個社會係好多人
開始亂倫, 阿仔同阿媽攪埋一齊, 兄弟姐妹攪埋一齊....

之後大家遷覺得, 佢地有自由JA, 又唔會影響到其他人既.
之後要立法, 要遊行.....有無攪錯!?"

"咁你可唔可以比個數據我, 究竟幾多係天生, 幾多係自己選擇,
如果係後天選擇既, 我相信佢地會預左有D人一定會歧視, 但你吹咩?
人地立左法依然歧視,你又吹咩? 你自己選擇行呢條路, 唔該你地,
咁大個人,應該知道有咩風險係預左,
你想人地唔用奇異眼光望你, 搵周公啦!
望就實望架啦, 玩得呢個GAME就預左啦, 你唔係以為所有人都咁好人識尊重呀?
真係好鬼勞氣, 我比你立法咁又點, D人咪更加對你地反感,
唔好迷信樣樣野上左街就會達到啦,
你唔通問人地點解炒你, 點解唔請你? 你估人地真係會講因為你大肚,
因為你同性戀, 唔好咁天真啦, 人地求其話要縮減人手, 或者請夠人禍,
咁你吹咩? 打佢呀? 告佢呀?
我同你講, 呢D人唔會咁蠢,咁傻仔講出來囉, 你到時依然都係搵唔到工."

"一旦立法, 我擔心既係一些青少年對性取向不清晰時,貿然選擇同性戀, 佢地亦都會因為承受被人歧視既壓力而選擇輕生, 變相鼓吹同性戀, 點解唔可以將資源放係教育青少年點樣選擇性取向, 再去評估佢地究竟係天生, 定係純粹試下呢?你知道我因為咩事被人歧視? 你唔會知, 你呢世都唔會知,
至於等天收呢樣野, 我一定會比天收,因為我死左會係天國同其他人相聚"

我唔知大家會對呢堆野有咩反應, 但係我....
各位, 我家下真係火都黎埋!!!!

我一直都好少開post, 但今次, 我真係好火我要開post 了。

Omg... I read quite a number of posts on my news feed from my friends too and they are more or less the same as the ones you quoted... It is as though they are having a hard time accepting their own narrow-mindedness and discriminatory tendencies but at the same time are against gay marriage and gay rights.  Their fears are irrational.  I have a friend who said we should not discriminate against gays but at the same time they do not have to get married as marriage is a choice....

If you don't want to discriminate then how come the choice, the right to get married should we want to make that choice, is still absent in HK society today?  It makes no sense!

Her opinions are already a lot more mild... there are "educated" people on my friends list, a teacher and a social worker, both men and Christian, and one expressed how upset he is to see the corruption of this world and the other one said nothing.  Silence is sometimes more powerful as he would often post a lot of stuff about equal rights for other marginalized groups......

亂倫又跟同性混為一談。。
佢地係對同性戀太唔認識
真係異性戀。。去到最後都會直返。。根本係另一種既方式下搵唔到enjoy既love
即使比兩個同性戀一男一女上床。。佢地都唔會enjoy sex

不過我諗唔好太激動。。中國傳統既係對同性冇咁開放。。要一步步黎
或者因為上街之後會增加言論。。加深認識
可能係一場十幾年既革命。。唔急在一時

"The precise challenge for morally serious people is to make rational distinctions between what is arbitrary and what is essential in important social institutions. ... If you want to argue that a lifetime of loving, faithful commitment between two women is equivalent to incest or child abuse, then please argue it. It would make for fascinating reading. But spare us this bizarre point that no new line can be drawn in access to marriage—or else everything is up for grabs and, before we know where we are, men will be marrying their dogs." - Andrew Sullivan.

如果有人認為兩個人相愛而committed 的關係同等於亂倫，請他們繼續說下去。It is not an argument, it is a panic. 已持有這種想法的人，真的很難說服。不過，起碼旁觀的人，可能會慢慢看到我們這一方的道理。

如果真的想與這些人"討論"下去，可以看看: www.arguingequality.org/chapter6.htm
辯論和邏輯推理有樣野叫reverse slippery slope. 當一個人可以往亂倫這個方向作assumption, 那麼也應該思考以前"傳統定義的婚姻"的人不贊成不同膚色的人，不同階級的人結婚，是否正確。

不要為他們太過勞氣。

It also makes my head explode when people jump into the middle and seem to believe they are very liberal, when they really really believe that we need to compromise by saying, "I am neutral, i am not homophobic. But you don't have to get married."
Marriage is not just a piece of paper, it entails more than just housing benefits, hospital visitation rights, it is also about its intrinsic significance.
I always want to ask them. So, which part of my relationship is "lesser" than yours? If you don't think so, shouldn't we be equal? If your "hey i'm not homophobic but.." is acceptance, i'm not sure if i want to take it. Rights are called rights for a reason, why do we have to compromise?

其實你要香港呢個社會一時間去接受係有啲困難
不過遊行左咁多年我估唔多唔少都說服到啲人既
只不過香港係保守啲無台灣咁開放架啦
何必同佢地一般見識呢?

Thank you for sharing that powerful quote.  I will share it on my Facebook.  Food for thought!
I would like to discuss further with them and get them thinking about their logical fallacies, but at this point I'm not sure if they would be ready and open to that yet...
I also find it fascinating how straight people think that once gay marriage is legal many more people will be more open to experiment with their sexuality.  Well well... isn't that a good thing? ;)

You're welcome.

You know. Sometimes i feel that people who are really so invested in thinking about the consequences of "legalizing the gays". Why do they care so much? I'm not Freud but i think could be some really repressed feelings.

Like, i really love cats but i have allergies so if my neighbour has a cat, i run to complain about them due to my extreme jealousy; VS. i don't really have special feelings for cats so if my neighbour has a cat, cool i will go water my plants.

Great analogy lol!  Repressed feelings... I wonder why they feel so threatened too.  For example, for fundamentalist Christians I can kind of see it, as homosexuality appears to be in direct conflict with Biblical teachings.  So the recognition of gay rights and gay marriage can undermine core value principles of the religion.  However even within the Christian religion some churches have adapted an open door policy and are welcoming the LGBT community into their congregation too!

其實就算佢認識左，佢了解咗，都可以選擇有bias,
呢個係佢既選擇，
就好似基督教，我聽左10幾年，我信有耶穌，有神，
我都唔會跟從佢一樣~~

其實，與其去說服一啲冇咩可能說服既人，
甚至，去討論一啲冇可能有結果既討論，
不如做好自己，
總有一日改變到呢個社會既時候，
佢地既思想或者都會改變，又或者繼續唔會改變，
但係又如何?
重要既，根本唔係佢地。

我覺得佢地對話中好多侵犯左其他人的人格。
你睇下最近, 好似張宇人會話同性戀ge 人會呃福利個d..
我覺得bias 已經去到太極端。

網上討論甚至罵戰唔係無用ge...始終要有鍵盤戰士, 因為唔係好多機會俾我地發聲, 亦唔敢啦. 我覺得.....始終最大影響力係唔好串串貢, 當街痴纏同埋溝人條女...身邊好多人都唔覺同志係弱勢, 你俾人整佢地只會覺得係抵L死因為你唔正常. 佢地點會覺得自己既"觀點"係"成見/歧視". 總之基佬就嘔心TB就爭食2樣都唔應該存在. 中國人咁講傳宗接代同面子, 生個GAY既出黎仲慘過抽唔到居屋, 點改變到.... :-\

最慘係家陣同類都歧視同類, 見人條女醜就撬人, 又一堆GIRLISH*2先係正常, TB唔正常...

選擇同性戀? that's new to me. lol

佢地要嬲咪由得佢地囉, 發火會傷肝架, 樓主唔好同佢地一齊傷肝先得架 =)

you can't control what people think because the brains are theirs.
but you can make yourself feel better by merely laughing at their innocence and mistaken thoughts =)

要"整個世界換風氣" 唔容易, 好似樓上咁講, 會係一場持久戰
所以我地既心理要好好調整
連仗都未開始打已經輸左, 唔得架 =)

嗯, 之少我地會support 自己
thanks all!

同意, 一早已覺得有這樣的問題, 大家要懂得互相尊重和團結才有希望

Steorotype 有時自己都要負責任，
大家做好啲，團結啲，
總有一日，有一部分人會因為咁，
而對我地改觀。

都係個句喇, 做好自己先人地就無野講.

不過所謂當街痴纏呢d.. 就算我地唔做, 出面大把人都係咁
如果同樣ge 野做出黎, 我地比人覺得唔好睇, 其他人就無事..
咁, 呢樣野就已經係歧視啦..

其實我係會歧視出面啲痴纏男女的~~
係歧視佢地既行為而唔係性別~

之但係當呢個社會未接受而我地正在爭取既時候，
某程度上，我地都要有適當既妥協，
係唔公平，
但係做好自己，點都唔係懷事~~

[ 本帖最後由 Casper 於 2012-11-12 16:42 編輯 ]

從小到大, 我們在香港讀書, 都沒有學習過, 怎麼和同志相處, 甚至沒有老師告訴你, 世界上都有人鍾意同性.
歧視源於無知, 我覺得.
不要為無知生氣...其實現在的社會, 將會有更多年青朋友願意COME OUT, 也可以說, 將會有更多反對聲音出來, 因為以前無咁多人out, 佢地見唔到同志, 依家見到, 會驚.
他們都需要時間適應.
想想, 其實佢地都幾慘.